apidya2 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 17:38:26
有没有老嗨讲讲俄罗斯为什么要入侵乌克兰[-] lilian1900 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 17:44:54
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1496886759665586177
维基解密贴了 CIA director William J. Burns 的报告截图,自己看吧。拜登不会外交。
[-] WonderfulEconomist39 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 17:53:15
里面的维基链接失效了
[-] lilian1900 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 18:07:43
没有啊:https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html#efmBTnBfi
[-] 1900123 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 18:44:29
呃呃,我点不开链接,能不能大概讲解一下说了啥?谢谢
[-] lilian1900 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 19:04:08
全篇就是讲俄国对北约东扩的担忧,William J. Burns 认为俄国必然干涉。下面是截图的内容:5C Ukraine and Georgia's NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine
Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.
[-] lilian1900 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 19:04:57
全文如下:
B. MOSCOW 182
Classified By: Ambassador William J. Burns. Reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
Ukraine's intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP)
at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and
other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition,
stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion
as a potential military threat. NATO enlargement,
particularly to Ukraine, remains "an emotional and neuralgic"
issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also
underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and
Georgia. In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue
could potentially split the country in two, leading to
violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force
Russia to decide whether to intervene. Additionally, the GOR
and experts continue to claim that Ukrainian NATO membership
would have a major impact on Russia's defense industry,
Russian-Ukrainian family connections, and bilateral relations
generally. In Georgia, the GOR fears continued instability
and "provocative acts" in the separatist regions. End
summary.
MFA: NATO Enlargement "Potential Military Threat to Russia"
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January 22-23 (ref B), Foreign Minister Lavrov stressed that
Russia had to view continued eastward expansion of NATO,
particularly to Ukraine and Georgia, as a potential military
threat. While Russia might believe statements from the West
that NATO was not directed against Russia, when one looked at
recent military activities in NATO countries (establishment
of U.S. forward operating locations, etc. they had to be
evaluated not by stated intentions but by potential. Lavrov
stressed that maintaining Russia's "sphere of influence" in
the neighborhood was anachronistic, and acknowledged that the
U.S. and Europe had "legitimate interests" in the region.
But, he argued, while countries were free to make their own
decisions about their security and which political-military
structures to join, they needed to keep in mind the impact on
their neighbors.
enlargement was not based on security reasons, but was a
legacy of the Cold War. He disputed arguments that NATO was
an appropriate mechanism for helping to strengthen democratic
governments. He said that Russia understood that NATO was in
search of a new mission, but there was a growing tendency for
new members to do and say whatever they wanted simply because
they were under the NATO umbrella (e.g. attempts of some new
member countries to "rewrite history and glorify fascists").
question about Ukraine's request for a MAP, the MFA said "a
radical new expansion of NATO may bring about a serious
political-military shift that will inevitably affect the
security interests of Russia." The spokesman went on to
stress that Russia was bound with Ukraine by bilateral
obligations set forth in the 1997 Treaty on Friendship,
Cooperation and Partnership in which both parties undertook
to "refrain from participation in or support of any actions
capable of prejudicing the security of the other Side." The
spokesman noted that Ukraine's "likely integration into NATO
would seriously complicate the many-sided Russian-Ukrainian
relations," and that Russia would "have to take appropriate
measures." The spokesman added that "one has the impression
that the present Ukrainian leadership regards rapprochement
with NATO largely as an alternative to good-neighborly ties
with the Russian Federation."
Russian Opposition Neuralgic and Concrete
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a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about
the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does
Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine
Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears
unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would
seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us
that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions
in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the
ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a
major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In
that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to
intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.
Moscow Center, expressed concern that Ukraine was, in the
long-term, the most potentially destabilizing factor in
U.S.-Russian relations, given the level of emotion and
neuralgia triggered by its quest for NATO membership. The
letter requesting MAP consideration had come as a "bad
surprise" to Russian officials, who calculated that Ukraine's
NATO aspirations were safely on the backburner. With its
public letter, the issue had been "sharpened." Because
membership remained divisive in Ukrainian domestic politics,
it created an opening for Russian intervention. Trenin
expressed concern that elements within the Russian
establishment would be encouraged to meddle, stimulating U.S.
overt encouragement of opposing political forces, and leaving
the U.S. and Russia in a classic confrontational posture.
The irony, Trenin professed, was that Ukraine's membership
would defang NATO, but neither the Russian public nor elite
opinion was ready for that argument. Ukraine's gradual shift
towards the West was one thing, its preemptive status as a de
jure U.S. military ally another. Trenin cautioned strongly
against letting an internal Ukrainian fight for power, where
MAP was merely a lever in domestic politics, further
complicate U.S.-Russian relations now.
[-] lilian1900 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 19:05:11
membership is the significant defense industry cooperation
the two countries share, including a number of plants where
Russian weapons are made. While efforts are underway to shut
down or move most of these plants to Russia, and to move the
Black Sea fleet from Sevastopol to Novorossiysk earlier than
the 2017 deadline, the GOR has made clear that Ukraine's
joining NATO would require Russia to make major (costly)
changes to its defense industrial cooperation.
also be a significant impact on Russian-Ukrainian economic
and labor relations, including the effect on thousands of
Ukrainians living and working in Russia and vice versa, due
to the necessity of imposing a new visa regime. This,
Aleksandr Konovalov, Director of the Institute for Strategic
Assessment, argued, would become a boiling cauldron of anger
and resentment among the local population.
not as neuralgic to Russia as Ukraine, the GOR viewed the
situation there as too unstable to withstand the divisiveness
NATO membership could cause. Aleksey Arbatov, Deputy
Director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, argued that Georgia's
NATO aspirations were simply a way to solve its problems in
Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and warned that Russia would be
put in a difficult situation were that to ensue.
Russia's Response
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"seriously review" its entire relationship with Ukraine and
Georgia in the event of NATO inviting them to join. This
could include major impacts on energy, economic, and
political-military engagement, with possible repercussions
throughout the region and into Central and Western Europe.
Russia would also likely revisit its own relationship with
the Alliance and activities in the NATO-Russia Council, and
consider further actions in the arms control arena, including
the possibility of complete withdrawal from the CFE and INF
Treaties, and more direct threats against U.S. missile
defense plans.
Office in Moscow (protect), said she believed that Russia had
accepted that Ukraine and Georgia would eventually join NATO
and was engaged in long-term planning to reconfigure its
relations with both countries, and with the Alliance.
However, Russia was not yet ready to deal with the
consequences of further NATO enlargement to its south. She
added that while Russia liked the cooperation with NATO in
the NATO-Russia Council, Russia would feel it necessary to
insist on recasting the NATO-Russia relationship, if not
withdraw completely from the NRC, in the event of Ukraine and
Georgia joining NATO.
Comment
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and Georgia is both emotional and based on perceived
strategic concerns about the impact on Russia's interests in
the region. It is also politically popular to paint the U.S.
and NATO as Russia's adversaries and to use NATO's outreach
to Ukraine and Georgia as a means of generating support from
Russian nationalists. While Russian opposition to the first
round of NATO enlargement in the mid-1990's was strong,
Russia now feels itself able to respond more forcefully to
what it perceives as actions contrary to its national
interests.
BURNS
[-] 1900123 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 19:29:55
谢谢,全篇看完了,在分析俄罗斯入侵乌克兰的动机。不知道外网对这篇报告有什么看法。不管怎么样,俄罗斯依然入侵了乌克兰,这也是改变不了的事实。
[-] 1900123 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 19:33:50
如果同意乌克兰不加入北约,把它作为缓冲区的话,其实就算向俄罗斯低头了。这会影响美国和北约的威信,但是俄罗斯也有它自己的安全需求。这就无解了,谁都不可能让步,只能诉诸武力了。
[-] gyozaspaghetti | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 17:46:31
泽连斯基拿炮仗炸了切尔诺贝利核电站,把普京的头发辐射没了,现在普京寻仇来了
[-] lilao8 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 22:16:59
一眼真
[-] gyozaspaghetti | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 23:25:03
我比丘处机还全真
[-] boxi_fan | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 17:52:01
1.要加入北约 2.前几天有人往基辅运了大规模杀伤性武器,喜剧演员还装逼给说出来了
[-] dkmfTheMaster | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 17:53:46
因为泽连斯基把普京妈操了
[-] CesareBorgia- | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 18:06:48
京子老被浪人骂炒作🐶,这会硬气了不炒作了
[-] jiaiguo | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 18:19:16
責任全在浪方
[-] Effective-Design-257 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 18:20:18
因为普金有点病
[-] bitbitcoin123 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 19:16:32
就是因为没有人知道为什么才觉得毛畜该死
[-] Bubbly_Lengthiness22 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 20:00:55
表面上看是阻止乌克兰彻底倒向北约。深层的原因和大日本帝国的东亚共荣圈没区别,为了沙俄帝国的荣光。
[-] LpLooo | 1 points | Mar 01 2022 05:27:17
傻逼
[-] dzg42 | 1 points | Feb 24 2022 17:40:03
乌克兰要加入北约 普京不同意