VioletRichelieu | 1 points | May 21 2022 22:21:10

保姆性侵男童後懷孕並要求男童支付撫養金

維基說明:

Hermesmann v. Seyer (State of Kansas ex rel. Hermesmann v. Seyer, 847 P.2d 1273 (Kan. 1993)),[1] was a precedent-setting Kansas, United States case in which Colleen Hermesmann successfully argued that a woman is entitled to sue the father of her child for child support even if conception occurred as a result of a criminal act committed by the woman.[2][3] The case was brought in her name by the then Kansas Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services.

Hermesmann was a babysitter for Shane Seyer during 1987 and 1988. When Hermesmann was 16, she began a sexual relationship with Seyer who was 12 years old. When she was 17 and Seyer was 13, she became pregnant and their daughter was born in 1989. Criminal charges had been brought against Hermesmann by Shawnee County, Kansas, accusing her of "engaging in the act of sexual intercourse with a child under sixteen" whilst she herself was a juvenile.[2]: 448  In the event she stipulated as a juvenile offender to "contributing to a child's misconduct" which is not a sexual offense.[2]: 448 

In 1991, the Kansas Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services, in Hermesmann's name, took Seyer to court seeking child support. Hermesmann's criminal culpability was not addressed in this trial, as this was purely a civil court case. The Department also sought and was awarded $7,000, equivalent to $13,900 in 2021,[4] for its own costs.[5] However, in the later Supreme Court hearing, the Department stated it never had any intention of collecting its award.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer

抽象

[-] right_dog_shina | 1 points | May 21 2022 23:07:41

这有啥抽象的,保守主义传统下父母保护抚养孩子是源自自然状态天经地义的事。所以也麻烦那些说禁止堕胎只损害女性权益的女权逼收收嘴,这个案例和禁止堕胎是同样的逻辑:无论孩子是哪里来的,保护子女都是人类的基本道德。

当然原子人不喜欢这种约束可以理解,毕竟原子人一无所有,无论赚了多少钱本质上都是精神无产阶级

[-] Mtso2021 | 1 points | May 22 2022 02:53:58

恋童癖也是右狗的价值观吗

[-] right_dog_shina | 1 points | May 22 2022 03:00:04

堪萨斯州当时判决的首席大法官的生平:

Holmes originated in Wichita, Kansas and during World War II served in the Navy.[10] He obtained a degree in business administration in 1950 from the Kansas State University, then obtained his law degree from the Washburn University School of Law in 1953.[10][6] He started his career practising law with his father, with a speciality in corporation and probate law.

你自己决定他是不是恋童癖

[-] Mtso2021 | 1 points | May 22 2022 03:04:26

自己做的错事就要自己负责不是天经地义,用什么傻蛆家庭道德论来惩罚一个受害者,不是变相把恋童癖去罪化了?又扯什么堕胎,不堕胎她自己养去啊,关人家什么事

[-] right_dog_shina | 1 points | May 22 2022 03:08:33

我只是说反堕胎的逻辑同样适用在男人身上,不是女权逼们口中所说的专门仇女。

至于家庭价值观是美国文化的基石,你们原子人爱反对是你们的事。

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[-] right_dog_shina | 1 points | May 22 2022 03:10:08

我只是说反堕胎的逻辑同样适用在男人身上,不是女权逼们口中所说的专门仇女。

至于家庭价值观是美国文化的基石,你们原子人爱反对是你们的事。支那确实没有家庭价值观,所以我理解纸人的文化观,我不是来说服纸人的。我只是说,反对堕胎的人同样支持损害男人利益的法律,不是专门针对女性。

[-] Mtso2021 | 1 points | May 22 2022 03:13:12

怎么又扯上女权,把恋童癖扯到性别和家庭,把受害者说成有责任的人,你这说话行径和左逼是如出一辙,脱离意识形态用正常人的逻辑想想都知道12岁的男孩不应该为17岁的恋童癖负责任

[-] right_dog_shina | 1 points | May 22 2022 03:18:05

“所以也麻烦那些说禁止堕胎只损害女性权益的女权逼收收嘴”。这不是我一开始说的话?我本来就是解释这种观点只是保守派的正常观点,并且和反对堕胎是同一逻辑的。女权逼反对保守派说保守派厌女,事实上同样的逻辑对这类有损男人权益的事同样适用。

[-] Mtso2021 | 1 points | May 22 2022 03:19:19

你的意思是你说保守政策的结果是把男女权利都伤害了,所以是好的?组织一下你的逻辑吧

[-] right_dog_shina | 1 points | May 22 2022 03:39:17

我是说保守派的逻辑不是针对女性的。你能明白这句话吗?不是仇女反女的。

我确实觉得非自愿情况下不该承担责任,比如被强奸的女性可以堕胎,被强奸的男性也不该付赡养费。但是反对强奸堕胎的人士也会反对被强奸的男性不支付赡养费。

顺便这事不单单在美国有,在进步的法国一样有类似的:

https://www.violencefeminine.com/la-paternite-involontaire-face-a-la-justice/

这事男主被女的骗了对方说吃了堕胎药但实际上没有,生了孩子也必须付钱。

”这别无选择,孩子的权力就是在于他的源头出身。“这个虽然没有美国这个强奸这么抽象,但是逻辑上和反堕胎是一样的。欧洲所有国家都反对堕胎,

甚至日本也有类似的法律:

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1319376463

在日本男人被强奸了是要付赡养费的,因为孩子是无辜的。这不是美国特色。

支国人不能理解日本和欧美文明的价值观很正常。

[-] Mtso2021 | 1 points | May 22 2022 09:42:23

我没说过西方全部文化制度都是合理的,也不认同,不然就不会有左逼和右狗了

另外我明白你说政策不针对女人,那男女都被害就好了?受害人应该没责任,如果女恋童癖养不起又不肯堕胎就应该转送社会上的孤儿院等机构,不是转嫁成本给受害人,而且恋童癖有身为人母的资格吗

[-] Sad_Progress4776 | 1 points | May 22 2022 02:55:55

感覺沒後文阿

[-] VioletRichelieu | 1 points | May 22 2022 03:10:23

法院判了這名男童要為性侵者的孩子支付child support

[-] Sad_Progress4776 | 1 points | May 22 2022 03:45:59

但保姆沒拿錢 我有沒有理解錯

[-] VioletRichelieu | 1 points | May 22 2022 05:12:36

可能因為英文能力不足,我沒能在維基中找到關於這點的精確信息,無法給出篤定的回答,只能做出粗糙的推斷,抱歉

根據原文的表達,court has decided that an underage boy is liable for the support of his child even when the conception was the result of criminal conduct by the mother,可以保守地說根據法庭判決,包括案中男童在內的男性性侵受害者應對性侵者通過性侵生下的孩子的child support負責,至於這個‘負責’是直接給錢給性侵者還是支付撫養機構費用或是其他的什麼就在此無從得知了