PatrickLai3 | 1 points | May 09 2022 17:03:39
北美大部分城市建设是真的差,对汽车的过度依赖导致个人的经济上升能力被车限制住了,走路/骑自行车/坐公交车就跟二等公民一样,在suburb的路上步行是最令人沮丧的事情之一[-] daddysgirl2112 | 1 points | May 09 2022 17:13:54
上海更好,都是送上門的。
[-] Real_Range4392 | 1 points | May 09 2022 17:21:15
去二手车行搞台破车也不会贵的离谱吧
[-] 736dee | 1 points | May 09 2022 18:23:27
车不贵但汽车保险贵的没边了
[-] Maojuicy | 1 points | May 09 2022 18:56:49
找agent quote几遍不就得了。
[-] 736dee | 1 points | May 09 2022 20:09:21
看地区吧我刚那驾照的时候几乎每个quote 都是$500+/月,
[-] Maojuicy | 1 points | May 09 2022 17:28:55
在美国走大街的都是homeless
[-] SenkouNoHanyawei | 1 points | May 09 2022 17:37:18
搞公共交通是需要錢的,在汽車文化盛行的美國沒人會願意掏一大筆錢去搞鐵定虧損的公共交通。到時候花了一大筆錢蓋好又沒人用,運營不下去還要財政補貼那更是一個無底洞。
[-] PatrickLai3 | 1 points | May 09 2022 22:49:14
主要是二战结束以后一直推崇suburbia,导致路和基础设施都是围绕着停车场设计的,像多伦多郊区好多火车站都是在middle of nowhere,然后旁边上百个停车位。这样的火车站建造的初衷不是为了给没有车的人通勤方式,而是让有车的人不用在市中心抢车位。最后就形成一个恶性循环,开车的人不用火车,没车的人用不了火车。
[-] SenkouNoHanyawei | 1 points | May 10 2022 23:06:25
美國真不應該蓋什麼火車站,目前的短程汽車長途飛機問題真不大。不是說現在的城市規劃很好,我自己現在就在休斯頓,非常了解堵車的痛苦。然而城市化到了現在這個地步再想有任何大的改變都非常不現實,而缺乏現實感沒有可行性的政策也不會有人討論的。就這麼說吧,美國要是有錢,一大堆破事將等著被處理,大搞基建會也是修路修機場,公共交通這種事排隊都輪不上號。更何況汽車文化已經是深入美國人骨子裡的習慣了,花大代價去扭轉他即不可能也沒必要。
[-] ShowMeThePath_1 | 1 points | May 09 2022 17:48:11
那你适合生活在中国
[-] Competitive_Bonus_86 | 1 points | May 09 2022 17:48:36
但是能开的二手车一个月工资不就能搞定吗?
[-] Antique_Ad5679 | 1 points | May 09 2022 17:54:56
美国车白菜价
[-] MurkyCopy1354 | 1 points | May 09 2022 18:26:00
你以为大家都像贵支一样买车还10年?
[-] Court_H0701 | 1 points | May 09 2022 18:28:27
请滚回mainland China去蹬你的自行车去吧 那里的基建适合你 走路骑车坐公交的人上人
[-] PatrickLai3 | 1 points | May 09 2022 22:42:46
你是觉得只有中共国才会搞基建,还是你见过最好的基建是中国的?要不就是冲浪过度头撞岸上,丧失逻辑思维能力了?国内城市建设能看的地方屈指可数,我看爱国小先锋就是你吧。
[-] Court_H0701 | 1 points | May 09 2022 23:55:58
左逼语言混乱,搁这胡言乱语呢。北美的基建都是以汽车为基础的,这是常识,出了市中心没车根本不行。你既然觉得因为依赖汽车所以北美城市建设差,那你就滚回你的国内去,这不是很合理吗?我和你不是一国人,少搁这儿碰瓷
[-] PatrickLai3 | 1 points | May 10 2022 00:47:21
Who the fuck are you to call me a leftist, I'm as conservative as it gets, just look up my activity in r/GenUsa, if you got your history and facts correctly, you will find that the rise of suburbia is caused by subsidies from both the federal government and most local governments. This is not a progressive vs conservative debate since both sides take the status quo for granted. THE SUBURB (and the obsessions over stand-alone houses) WAS A MISTAKE, and it was never corrected. Today, construction law in most North American towns/cities still encourages "strodes" and other anti-pedestrian designs. If you watch the video I posted, you will realize that "strodes" are bad for both drivers and pedestrians, and known solutions that provide a better experience for both groups exist. You can refer to this road in Philadelphia https://youtu.be/zJlB4eVv2F8, in understand the guy in this video is probably a left-leaning person, but I'm not some tribal idiot like you who thinks everything has to be "us" and "them", so I agree with him here.
If you wanna argue from the right-wing/conservative side, you should agree that we should reduce stupid city zoning laws and unreasonable road-building regulations, allow private construction firms to design and build, or modify roads and roadside infrastructures so that they are more accessible for everyone. My argument is not inherently anti-car, in fact, I love the liberating power of a car, but when roads, businesses, even public transport are centered around the cars, where they practically become the only option for commuting, it restricts a person's access to opportunities. This is not healthy for a free market economy and is UNAMERICAN, so if you want to accept the status quo of "北美的基建都是以汽车为基础的,这是常识,出了市中心没车根本不行" and be a "岁静", don't lecture me about being American. The conservatives are winning in both Canada and the US, soon it will be our turn to make a difference, you are not in any position to call others "左逼" when your view harbors such elitism and gatekeeping (just like a fucking mainland Chinese lmao L), which undoubtedly impede positive social changes.
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[-] Court_H0701 | 1 points | May 10 2022 03:00:29
Wtf, 你他妈在这写小论文呢? 说你左逼,语言混乱逻辑不通你不承认,okay, then let’s talk. I’m not really interested in digging up your comment history, so my judgment is simply based on whatever you said in this thread. I did spend 18 mins on watching that “strode” video you posted, and what a fucking waste of my time. I kinda get why you liked it, cause you leftists are the same type of person. That guy clearly hates the infrastructure system in NA, and the so called “known solution” is nothing but copy-pasting Netherlands transportation model. Things that he failed to mention are what we called common sense, like that Dutch population density is about 508/km2, where in Canada that number goes down to 4/km2, (36 in US). Average Canadian household has 1.5 cars, and for the Dutch it’s 1.1 per household. His attempt to mixing up terminologies and redefine the meaning of road and street are nothing but common leftist tactics. Btw, that’s not how we use those terms here. We don’t need to sacrifice our quality of life due to non existent issues, we have more than enough space here for people to live the lifestyle they so desire. Who the fuck are you to tell us that we don’t deserve the lifestyle that we want and choose? “The suburb and obsession over stand alone houses are mistakes”, mind to elaborate a little bit more? Many accusations made in that video are simply baseless, did you notice that he never mentioned speed limit on those “strodes”? Tbh, if you ever got the chance to obtain a driver’s licence here, you’ll realize his video is full of bullshit. You have to understand that a infrastructure system that is designed to be car centric is inherently…centered around cars. So called strodes are not bad for drivers, they are simply not designed for cyclists or pedestrians. By modifying road infrastructure, you mean taking away spaces from drivers and giving them to non drivers. This is already happening in urban centers. No, you have no idea when you are saying, “I love the liberating power of a car”, what a joke for someone like you who most likely don’t even know how to drive. Cars enabled people to commute for a longer distance on daily basis, so that they can have a better job or live in a bigger house, at the same time they don’t need to share that space with others.Your opportunities are not restricted by cars or the road system, but by the fact you don’t own a car. And, trust me, I can fuck you and your comrades in every position that mentioned in the sex bible for a thousand years, and still call you a “ leftist bitch”, 左逼。
[-] PatrickLai3 | 1 points | May 10 2022 06:54:50
&rt;the so called “known solution” is nothing but copy-pasting Netherlands transportation model
First of all, when tf did the guy say we should make a hard copy of the Netherlands, he just simply said that we can see it as an example for potential conversion of current NA stroads, I even included a link to a real example that has happened in the US, but it seems like your biased and impulsive brain just couldn't bother to think. I love how you listed two sets of numbers and didn’t even try to make an argument with them, not that they would make good arguments anyway. Imagine calling someone lacking in logic while making such a low-level mistake, must have skipped composition in high school didn't you.
&rt;like that Dutch population density is about 508/km2, where in Canada that number goes down to 4/km2, (36 in US)
I was laughing so hard when you brought up the population density of Canada, does your naive brain think Canadians and Americans lives perfectly proportionally apart? The national population density literally doesn’t mean sheit, the population density of Waterloo, Ontario is 1400/km2, more crowded than most mid-sized Dutch cities, yet there is space for the "massive" stroads? In case you don’t understand me, let me show you another comparison, Vancouver has a population density 5492/km2, and Amsterdam's is 4900/km2, yet Vancouver with its "lack of space" still mirrors the stroad solution in NA instead of something akin to the Netherlands? Besides, there is no significant difference in the space required for both NA and Dutch road systems, so what are you on about? Hence, road planning has very little to do with population density and has everything to do with regulations that encourage a certain type of design.
&rt;Average Canadian household has 1.5 cars, and for the Dutch it’s 1.1 per household
As for cars owned per household, what is your argument with it? you just listed it as if it will prove something on its own. Even funnier, this stat may actually be used in my case's favour. Would the reason for Canada to have more cars per household be the proliferation of this car-centered road-building philosophy that I'm against? Families and individuals are forced to buy and maintain a car, thus inflating this number. But to be fair, the car ownership stat is very intricate and is mostly a reflection of social behavior rather than the causation of them, I genuinely don't know why you would think this stat can substantiate anything you are saying, plus you didn't really make an argument with it in the first place.
&rt;His attempt to mixing up terminologies and redefine the meaning of road and street are nothing but common leftist tactics
And please, share your wisdom with me as to where the guy mixed up terminologies and "redefined the meaning of road and street", I hope you didn't mean "stroad" because it is pretty clearly defined as "a highway style road with driveways and side streets where the traffic moves in and out", which you and I likely drive on every day. I have a strong suspicion that you confused a "stroad" and a highway since you mentioned speed limits, it's forgivable since they usually start and end with the other. I'll give you more examples so your tinny little biased brain can understand, Columbia Street W, Waterloo, Ontario is a "stroad", the speed limit is 50 kph yet it has four highway-wide lanes and driveways into roadside areas; another "stroad", Sprague Avenue, Spokane Valley, WA, has 5 lanes and many businesses street side, it also goes straight through downtown, the speed limit is 35 mph. A highway, such as state highway 99 near Echo Lake, where it is called Aurora Avenue has proper on-ramp and off-ramp, and the speed limit is 65 mph, yet it still suffers the same problem as stroads when it goes through the city of Shoreline and Lynnwood, and is more dangerous for pedestrians and bikers because of the higher speed limit.
&rt;Who the fuck are you to tell us that we don’t deserve the lifestyle that we want and choose
&rt;
&rt;Cars enabled people to commute for a longer distance on daily basis, so that they can have a better job or live in a bigger house
You seem not to understand that most drivers, bikers, and pedestrians are all people that live where the stroad is, remember, stroads have businesses and infrastructure alongside them, they shouldn’t be used to commute to another area like the highways or freeways. if the environment for bikers and pedestrians is improved, it will reduce the traffic flow, making the travel time by all means faster, you can look up the Downs-Thomson Paradox, this phenomenon is observed everywhere in the world, and is highlighted in many peer-reviewed academic articles. I’m glad you do concur that the car-centered culture of America and Canada exists, and I argue that it is unhealthy, some modifications are due for sections of "stroads" and highways that go through towns, like what they did to Washington Ave, Philadelphia. They have made a brilliant case against yours, why should your daily commute negatively impact the communities surrounding the stroad/highway you drive to work? (If your answer is along the line of "they should move", it will prove that you still have that little pinky brain in your head)
&rt;“The suburb and obsession over stand alone houses are mistakes”, mind to elaborate a little bit more?
I kinda provided information for this question already, I know I didn't specify at the time, that is my bad. Have a look, but I doubt you have the intellectual openness to watch it:
&rt;为什么这么多美国的中小城市在衰落和消失,吐槽美国你就玻璃心破碎,看起来脑回路还是强国人 Suburbia is Subsidized: Here's the Math
&rt;Many accusations made in that video are simply baseless
He made 7 argument against strodes: stroads are bad streets, stroads are hostile, stroads are ugly, stroads are bad roads, stroads are inefficient, stroads are unsafe, stroads are expensive. Each of them have clear reasoning, you may not agree with them, but would you mind explaining how they are baseless?
&rt;what a joke for someone like you who most likely don’t even know how to drive
&rt;
&rt;Your opportunities are not restricted by cars or the road system, but by the fact you don’t own a car
Even more ridiculously, you tried to discredit me by accusing me of not knowing how to drive, which is based on an assumption (I seriously don't get why you did this, stupid move), that really shows your incompetence in debating with facts and logic, which most conservatives cherish. The truth is, I have a Washington State driver's license, and excluding Washington Ave, Philadelphia, I have driven on all these roads I mentioned and their surrounding area on a daily basis. When I moved to Ontario, there was a period when I could only walk or take the buses, it was truly miserable, the determination of which bank, post office, or grocery store I used was solely based on whether they are reachable by bus. Imagine if someone is trying to find a starter job, but their option is confined to an arbitrary radius limited by the public transit system, THAT IS a significant blockage to their upward mobility. In Canada, families and individuals in this income tier usually does not allow the individual to support both their mortgage/rent/debt and a car, this issue is repeated by conservative PM Pierre Poilievre many times in the last two years.
[-] Court_H0701 | 1 points | May 10 2022 12:37:30
Damn it! What’s your problem bro? 你大晚上没睡觉还搁这儿写呢。。。你行。骂你一句左逼真是破大防了,我收回。陪你一学生在这写小论文,我真的是支中支。上午没时间,晚点儿再陪你写。有这功夫你写写自己的assignment不好吗?我寻思你在Waterloo应该学CS的,你咋对城建还这么较劲呢,你可真行
[-] Court_H0701 | 1 points | May 10 2022 20:22:30
reply is over the character limit, so I made a new post.
[-] PatrickLai3 | 1 points | May 10 2022 01:03:10
为什么这么多美国的中小城市在衰落和消失,吐槽美国你就玻璃心破碎,看起来脑回路还是强国人 https://youtu.be/7Nw6qyyrTeI
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[-] Vector_BundIe | 1 points | May 09 2022 18:34:21
经济上升能力被车限制?还不是恁不努力
[-] RemoteCap18 | 1 points | May 09 2022 19:20:53
还是日本好
[-] Sand-And-Foam | 1 points | May 09 2022 19:51:33
太想生活在荷兰了
[-] Dramatic-Lunch2481 | 1 points | May 10 2022 01:49:06
主要是没人维护,垃圾没人捡,也很少见到维修的
[-] __1zy8ce__ | 1 points | May 10 2022 03:32:03
看看你sub这群贵物的支样,不好还不能说了?还是在意淫乌托邦呢?北美这公交是真的,大城市还可以美中小城市等于没有,有的地方车险还贵,买辆车首付无所谓但是最少买个月供300的吧,一个月油钱现在得150\~200,然后保险居然要500(这是最sb的。。。没有这个车险我觉得还挺好的)一个月1000刀花车上有时候又不怎么出去,但又不能没有...
不过出行少就打uber吧。
[-] xianzhong008 | 1 points | May 09 2022 17:09:11
还是欧洲城市好。自行车步行大都能满足日常购物