这就是人治和法治的区别，他想杀谁就杀谁，想枪毙谁就枪毙谁，没有任何的法律可言

典型的西方白左胡扯。你所谓英国在大饥荒期间“政府更是也依然把粮食出口”，显然是暗示英国政府强征农民粮食，并将之出口。然而这显然不是事实，英国政府仅仅是没有禁止粮食出口、没有积极救灾而已。那我们看看共产党是怎么做的呢？是拿着机枪把农民所有的粮食都抢走、用军队把守所有要道禁止农民逃荒、而且把任何反抗的村庄用毒气完全灭绝。你说得好像英国和共产党一样似的。那时英国政府的坏是一，共产党就是一万。

[-] Hongkongjai | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 22:53:07

我並沒有試圖暗示甚麼，我的論點是政府有沒有作出有效的回應（即是否不作為或回應本身是否有效）。我並沒有說政府主動地加重災害。亦因如此，我以民主和非民主國區分。畢竟，正如你所言，共產主義國家以公權力強行進行的土地/農作物的徵收和改革是直接影響了進行中的饑荒。我已經修正了字眼和作出了補充。

回覆一下你另外的發言，Potato Blight 唯獨在愛爾蘭造成了百萬人的死亡，這點在歐洲其他地方是沒有的。因此將其說成「前所未有的自然災害」是輕視了當時愛爾蘭和英國的政府、社會，經濟等人為因素影響。詳細我有在上面補充（雖然只是翻譯維基）。

另外蘇聯的饑荒是有自然因素（旱災）的因素，大躍進這個就真是自作孽了。

[-] jerrywish228 | 1 points | Apr 16 2022 04:25:51

首先，你的第一句话：“政府更也依然把粮食出口”，这里难道没有暗示什么？1.你明显是在暗示“政府出口粮食”（而不是民间出口粮食），是导致爱尔兰饥荒严重后果的重要原因。2.进一步，我认为这暗示了所谓英国”政府出口粮食”和共产党掠夺农民粮食再出口是一回事。不然有必要连续加“更”“也”“依然”这几个词么？其次，欧洲其他地方播种马铃薯的比例有爱尔兰那么多么？如果没有，那我将马铃薯绝收说成爱尔兰“前所未有的自然灾害”又有什么问题？

[-] Hongkongjai | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 22:20:38

英國政府的政策： &rt; When Ireland had experienced food shortages in 1782–83, ports were closed to keep Irish-grown food in Ireland to feed the hungry. Irish food prices promptly dropped...... No such export ban happened in the 1840s.

1782年的愛爾蘭糧食短缺在禁止糧食出口政策下，糧食價格下降，預防了大規模的饑荒。1840年的英國政府沒有採用同樣的做法。

&rt; They refused to interfere with the movement of food to England, then halted the previous government's food and relief works, leaving many hundreds of thousands of people without access to work, money, or food.

他們（英國政府）拒絕干擾糧食的進出口，叫停了上任政府的援助饑荒工作。

&rt; Charles Trevelyan, who was in charge of the administration of government relief, limited the Government's food aid programme because of a firm belief in laissez-faire.

負責管理政府援助的官員堅信經濟不干擾政府而限制了政府的食物補助計劃。

&rt; Confronted by widespread crop failure in November 1845, the Prime Minister, Sir Robert Peel, purchased £100,000 worth of maize and cornmeal secretly from America......did not arrive in Ireland until the beginning of February 1846......the few Irish mills in operation were not equipped for milling maize and a long and complicated milling process had to be adopted before the meal could be distributed. In addition, before the cornmeal could be consumed, it had to be "very much" cooked again, or eating it could result in severe bowel complaints.

愛爾蘭缺乏技術去處理進口的一種新穀物，另一種穀物如果不煮的非常爛的話會引起嚴重腹瀉。

&rt; While in addition to the maize imports, four times as much wheat was imported into Ireland at the height of the famine as exported, much of the imported wheat was used as livestock feed.

&rt; 饑荒時進口的小麥上升了四倍，但都主要用作家畜的食糧

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

&rt; The Corn Laws were tariffs and other trade restrictions on imported food and corn enforced in the United Kingdom between 1815 and 1846...... making it too expensive to import it from abroad, even when food supplies were short.

英國關稅政策使愛爾蘭無法進口便宜的糧食

&rt; The repeal of the Corn Laws benefitted the bottom 90% of income earners in the United Kingdom economically, while causing income losses for the top 10% of income earners.

Corn Law 的得益者本質上是最富有的一成人（？大地主）

&rt; Nevertheless, Ireland continued to export substantial quantities of food to Great Britain despite its domestic privations. The problem in Ireland was not lack of food, but the price of it, which was beyond the reach of the poor.

愛爾蘭在饑荒下繼續出口糧食。愛爾蘭面對的問題本質上不是糧食短缺，而是糧食價格遠高於窮人收入。

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_Laws

[-] Hongkongjai | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 22:21:12

印度： &rt; The regular export of grain by the colonial government continued; during the famine, the viceroy, Lord Robert Bulwer-Lytton, oversaw the export to England of a record 6.4 million hundredweight (320,000 tons) of wheat, which made the region more vulnerable.

在饑荒中繼續的正常貿易沒有中斷，有三十二萬公噸小麥流出

&rt; Earlier, in the Bihar famine of 1873–74, severe mortality had been avoided by importing rice from Burma...... Sir Richard Temple were criticised for excessive expenditure on charitable relief......now Famine Commissioner for the Government of India insisted not only on a policy of laissez faire with respect to the trade in grain but also on stricter standards of qualification for relief and on more meagre relief rations.

上次成功控制饑荒的英國官員被批評花費太大，於是收緊了所有舒緩饑荒的政策

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_of_1876–1878

&rt; According to Mike Davis, export crops displaced millions of acres that could have been used for domestic subsistence and increased the vulnerability of Indians to food crises.

出口的糧食本可用作支緩當地人民

&rt; For example, two of the worst famine-afflicted areas in the Madras Presidency, the districts of Ganjam and Vizagapatam, continued to export grains throughout the famine.

饑荒最嚴重的兩個地區全程繼續出口糧食

&rt; Keeping the famine relief as cheap as possible, with minimum cost to the colonial exchequer, was another important factor in determining famine policy.

英國當時的抗饑荒政策是採用盡可能便宜的援助措施

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_India

至於現代饑荒都在非民主國家出現的理由還是因為問責性。Amartya Sen 是1998年諾貝爾經濟學獎得主。他認為人類歷史上大多數的饑荒都可以避免，只不過是政府沒有作出有效的反應，才樣糧食短缺演變為大規模的饑荒。而非民主體制的政府缺乏問責的機制，回應人民的誘因弱，才能作出會制造饑荒的反應。

&rt; Examining records, however, Mr. Sen found that food production in Bengal had not declined. Rather, food prices had soared while farm wages had sagged, making it hard for rural workers to buy food.

&rt; Examining more recent famines in Ethiopia and Bangladesh, Mr. Sen found that they, too, were caused not by food shortages but by lagging rural incomes.

他發現糧食價格的大幅提升（可能基於沒有進口外國糧食以及延續糧食出口）和當地人的低收入才是饑荒的主因，而非糧食短缺本身。

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/01/arts/does-democracy-avert-famine.html

[-] fuckxjpagain | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 00:47:04

而且🕷️還會為青天大老爺叫好，無論公母都像是被鴻儒的高潮樣

[-] FriendlySomewhere870 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 00:47:54

什么辉狗

[-] PANZER_04061989 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 00:51:59

我看好多人就在為了這張照片而高潮真希望子彈打在他們的眉心上

[-] jasonbbg | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:09:40

看到明君了

[-] Kure_Cucumber123 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 03:26:18

不然🕷️为什么叫🕷️呢？

[-] asdqaz857 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 00:57:56

呵呵，要是在粮食供应充足的年代，那里来的垄断粮食的人…而且资本家又不傻，人都饿死了谁来买你的东西呢？纯粹就是列宁党的妖魔化宣传

实际上，只有列宁党国家会在没有战乱的情况下爆发大规模饥荒

[-] Vivid_Ad_7983 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:22:27

这种伪科学被列宁这种杂种拿出来祸害人间至今

[-] Glum-Lychee6635 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 04:42:41

真正哄抬物价的全是基层狗官囤货倒卖，历史上从没有见过共惨党更会剥削的资本家

[-] OrphenOfKos | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:02:47

那为什么美国没出现过饥荒啊

[-] Content_Ad9934 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 04:12:03

别尬黑,大萧条期间美国人一周只能吃上一次鸡,还不够饥荒吗?

[-] Mtso2021 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 04:34:50

什么毛主席标准

[-] Pooh8964 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 10:11:44

都饿得浮肿了是吧

[-] IllFaithlessness6868 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:06:43

坏事全是史达林干的，列宁是活圣人是吧

[-] dongling122 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:08:04

廢話太多，列寧只會馬上帶到房間裡輝

[-] FewFap5176 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:19:50

这下解决了资本主义中不存在的问题

[-] xijinping_xi | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:21:25

列宁：直接进去辉个爽

[-] Key-Mud-6810 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:22:23

其实电话里说的是：给我准备粒万艾可，今天我要霹雳戏貂

[-] Hour_Ad32 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:26:09

别扯什么法治，宪法写的清清楚楚由共党领导，他想怎么领导就怎么领导，这是宪法赋予它的自由，天赋领导权怎么就不是法治了？

[-] ExternalCicada9057 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:29:42

而且这个国家的宪法居然赋予了一个党派不可动摇的执政地位。。。

[-] wazxy | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:41:42

感謝習近平。

[-] Hypochondriasm | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:37:32

打完电话后就可以练了

[-] Long_Caterpillar_224 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:38:54

简单传播个马列梅毒

[-] 8964xijinpingshabi | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:39:11

操你妈不交粮食就开毒

[-] Ok_Satisfaction_732 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:44:53

列宁:小妹妹你感受到我的梅力了吗

[-] SPC-Official | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 03:46:39

喜欢我私人订制的劳斯莱斯吗

[-] Villoweck | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:47:06

随口一句话就能要了多少无辜人的命,腊肉也是,随意写一篇大字报,造就了一整个民族的苦难

[-] Low-Elevator8271 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:53:12

比起來近平還差了那麼一點點

[-] Easternfellah | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:49:02

把人毙掉就不会有人饿死了

[-] Arisa_kokkoro | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 16:26:47

&rt;把人毙掉就不会有人饿死了

true

[-] 1451634 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 01:59:47

ctm 说枪毙就枪毙？真硕鼠没被杀到头来屁民当靶子替罪羊是吧？

[-] lodxis | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:01:20

因为他是神

[-] Schwazbier | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:03:13

他妈妈就是被瓦西里这样的征粮队夺走了口粮而饿死的，而为了掩盖这骇人听闻的罪恶，无辜的有产者成了替罪羊，这就是苏俄。

[-] Wooden-Pin1598 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:08:49

小粉紅只會集體高潮，以為遇到了在世明君。

[-] Wooden-Pin1598 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:10:12

但話說回來，清廉的專制VS腐敗的民主確實非常的有戲劇張力。

[-] Wooden-Pin1598 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:12:26

我也曾為銀河英雄傳說、水戶黃門傳、還有清朝皇帝出訪民間平冤的戲碼高潮過。

[-] Rihnoclow | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 06:18:39

還有暴坊將軍大家很愛幻想一個富有正義感的當權者除暴安良可惜現實不是

[-] Wooden-Pin1598 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 13:48:08

官僚活用聖王思想的愚民宣傳。

[-] what_wonderful | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 03:29:18

像拆那这么大的国家，再清廉的专制，全部都是清廉的官员最后也会变成暴政。东南西北地区的贫富差距非常大，必须要转移支付，转移支付就得对沿海的富裕地区征重税，久了沿海地区必定跳反，所以共匪保留了户口制度，靠廉价的剥削外来省的劳动力，以此来减缓对富裕地区的财政压力，结果搞得外来劳动力富不起来，富裕地区的财政压力也没减少多少，越管大家越穷。最后工人维权共匪只有镇压一条路。

而和新加坡只有鼻屎那么大的国家没有可比性。

[-] Wooden-Pin1598 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 13:38:49

這也是大國還無法轉型成消費型經濟的根本原因之一。

[-] MichaelsFunding | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:10:14

看來只能自己槍斃自己了

[-] Dramatic-Lunch2481 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:16:47

列宁带来了人道主义，斯大林带来了吃饱喝足

[-] ParticularIll9062 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:20:46

发现共产党员就地活埋，不同意的请举手

[-] Coldbirdbird | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 02:46:07

没有没有没有

[-] ParticularIll9062 | 1 points | Apr 15 2022 03:34:35